pantryslut | tiny shriek of outraged disbelief

Er, what idiot said that?

Lois McMaster Bujold.

Christ. Do people not hear themselves?

I think this image may sum things up.

Also POC sounds too much like PoC (Pirates of the Caribbean) and it makes her soul hurt.

oh that poor thing? How ever is she going to survive?

*sigh*

I mean there is a side note discussion that terms people of color choose to use varies. Non white, visible minority, people of color, etc. etc. are all terms one might use. But WOW to her telling POC what they are allowed to call themselves.

the real "wow" is that POC as a term has been around since at least 1988 (when I have specific memories of hearing it), and probably earlier.

It's kinda weird when people don't know history. I was surprised when I had to explain to a friend that "states' rights" had bad anti-civil rights connotations from its use in the Civil War and Civil Rights eras. If you want to mean the division of powers between state and federal governments, you'll need to say "federalism" or something other than "states' rights".

I was surprised when a famous author was outraged and shocked during the current wars that military people paint faces on the aircraft. Er, they've been doing that for a really long time, and famous author was alive during WWII and should've been paying attention.

Ouch!

(I was going to ask, as an aside, how old it actually was -- but I see Wikipedia has a nice paragraph about the history, with citations. Martin Luther King, Jr. used "citizens of color" in his "I have a dream" speech, and the "of color" phrase wasn't new then, but it became popular between the 1970s and early 1990s.)

(I suspect, if one wanted to cite references in a reply, this NYTimes article from 1988 saying 'It's not new' is a good one.)

Darn it, you beat me to it. ;)

From the Safire article:

When did it begin? ''I've seen people of color used in English as early as a 1793 pamphlet about a yellow-fever epidemic,'' reports Prof. Wilson Moses of the Afro-American studies program at Boston University, but the citation is not at hand. ''It was probably used earlier than that, however. It later became an attempt by the free black community to dissociate itself from the Africans, and was replaced during the 1920's, when Negro became the militant word to use. You will probably find people of color rooted in French.''

Gail Anderson, at New York's Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture, agrees: French-speaking colonies were the first to use gens de couleur liberes, which translates as ''free people of color.'' She cites an 1818 pamphlet in English entitled ''Report of the Committee, to Whom was Referred the Memorial of the President and Board of Managers of the American Society for Colonizing the Free People of Color of the United States.'' (Who-Whomniks who object to this use of their favorite word can write to the Committee, all of whose members are safely dead.)

If someone who was not me wanted to create a login just to rip her a new asshole on the subject, I would not object.

Where was the original from? I'll have to decide how confrontational I'm feeling.

Her myspace blog:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=164952151&blogId=485206852

You know, I am still processing how effing stupid other People of Pallor are (and that IS new!, although I can't cite it right now) from the last round. Gah. But there is no bottom.

Fucking done.

I hate everybody.

Fuck William Safire, okay? He can say as many good things as he likes, but as the almanac on the back of my toilet says that Shakespeare said, "The Devil can quote Scripture for purpose." Just... fuck him.

(And the fact that the French phrase uses "de" does not mean that the English translation would necessarily include "of". That's stupid American "foreign languages are just codes" thinking.)

um, coinage? new?

<< But in general I am not fond of divisive definitions, because they exclude too many people, and I prefer inclusion. >>

ooohh, i see, it's cuz she's so *inclusive*. well then.

Um. WOW.

Can you provide some link context for the WisCon RaceFail, too? I know something sketchy happened, but that's about all I know. Was she involved?

(Also, wait, am I mistaking RaceFail and a WisCon sketchy happening as one in the same? Are they separate events?)

Bujold hasn't been involved in any previous discussions as far as I know.

RaceFail 2009 (tm) is WisCon-free. There was a previous online discussion of similar issues about a year (or maybe two?) before that was related to WisCon panels on cultural appropriation.

rydra_wong was the links archivist for RF2K, but that's a huge and spawling mess, and I don't know anymore where to find a concise and tidy summary/timeline sort of thing.

a gathering of links, far from tidy or concise:

http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/tag/gcadod+09

What an utter fucking dumbass.

I can tell you that if I used that term here (Kansas City, MO), in regular conversation with anyone other than, perhaps, a member of the local UU church, I'd get a blank stare. I'd bet even money they'd think I meant queer (because of the rainbow flag).

One hopes, however, you wouldn't declare the term "people of color" to be new-fangled, or go on about how it annoys you because it intersects with an abbreviation in your fandom, or make condescending remarks about it being "divisive."

That is what makes LMB a dumbass.

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