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pantryslut ([personal profile] pantryslut) wrote2006-08-15 08:30 am

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Post-Femme Con thought for the day:

"However, the success of early female punk performers' attempts to desexualize the clothes they wore in such a parodic fashion is debatable. Whereas punk women intended to present these garments in such a way as to discredit their effect as fetishistic, sexually titillating items, the overriding cultural view of women as sex objects may have worked at cross-purposes with their intent. Thus, Laing argues that "an attempt to parody 'sexiness' may simply miss its mark and be read by the omnivorous male gaze as the 'real thing'." Their attempt at resistance, when contained within the subculture's private code, could be, and was, often read by the mainstream press and by observers more in terms of its accomodation, rather than resistance, to feminine sexual stereotypes. While striving to counter stereotypes of women in rock, punk women were repeatedly described as sluts, perverts, whores, and junkies by those outside the subculture."

-- Lauraine Leblanc, Pretty in Punk

[identity profile] twostepsfwd.livejournal.com 2006-08-16 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
Do you mean EVERYTHING is liberating and feminist just because you have a vagina?

(And don't think I'm knocking slutty clothes ;-P )

[identity profile] mr-heathen.livejournal.com 2006-08-16 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
i'm speaking of my own vagina, not anyone else's vaginal status.

[identity profile] twostepsfwd.livejournal.com 2006-08-16 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
OMG I'm suddenly having an image of talking vaginas.

[identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com 2006-08-16 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
Only the attitude about slutty clothes?

Confused at best.

[identity profile] twostepsfwd.livejournal.com 2006-08-16 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly what I wrote - To quote my own self, "the whole in-vogue attitude about slutty clothes, sex work, etc being seen as liberating or feminist simply because they're being done by people with some kind of feminist analysis."

I'm really not the 70s lesbo-feminist throwback you often seem to paint me as.
If you're so offended by my opinions on everything, you can feel free to de-friend me.

[identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com 2006-08-16 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know where you got the idea that I think of you as a 70's lesbian throwback, or that I was offended by your opinions on everything. (or, for that matter, that I find 70's lesbians offensive!) This is an awfully defensive reaction to a comment where I said I was confused.

It is true that I often struggle to find consistency in your statements, and maybe that's a struggle I should give up on.

[identity profile] twostepsfwd.livejournal.com 2006-08-16 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I find it pretty obnoxious how dismissive and insulting you are towards my opinions so frequently *shrug*

[identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com 2006-08-16 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
It has not been my intent at any point to be dismissive or insulting, but as I said above, intent only counts for so much.

Maybe it's you who needs to take a break from my LJ and not the other way around.