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I really am going to put together a long'n'thoughtful reply to [livejournal.com profile] misia's musings on high fantasy soon, I swear.

But in the meantime, I have a confession of my own: sometimes I feel like the only fantasy-reading pervert out there who didn't particularly like Kushiel's Dart.

Date: 2004-09-17 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firebirdgrrl.livejournal.com
I liked big chunks of it and overall, I look on it as popcorn reading...an enjoyable snack that vanishes quickly. But eh, I got a bigger sex thrill out of reading Restoration drama--all the intrigue, corsetry and more dirty jokes.

For fantasy pervery, give me Gene Wolfe any day.

Date: 2004-09-17 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com
i liked kushiel's dart, but it made my brain hurt when someone lent my mom the first book and she asked to borrow the second two from me.
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Date: 2004-09-17 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com
Yeah, but you're allergic to high fantasy. You don't count.

Then again, all the reasons I was a bit bored by Kushiel's Dart are related to the reasons I don't like high fantasy.

Also romance novels.

Date: 2004-09-17 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whumpdotcom.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] badgerbag loved it for the same reason, I do believe.

But where were the freaking singularities?

Date: 2004-09-17 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-ate-my-crusts.livejournal.com
I liked the first book.

Well, I liked the pervy bits.

The travelogue and endless internal monologues got terribly dull after not very long. And if I hear one more "Well and so," I'm going to slap someone. What a melodramatic character. Yeech.

But I did enjoy it. I have a low fun threshold, though.


Date: 2004-09-17 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com
See, now I didn't even like the pervy bits.

Date: 2004-09-17 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-ate-my-crusts.livejournal.com
See, now I didn't even like the pervy bits.

C'mon, you can't say that and then not offer explanation! (well you can, but..)

Despite her saying she was "struck by kushiel's dart" and therefore a masochist, she struck me as a very toppy sub. She was after the thrill of handing over control, and keeping from saying her safeword, but she was gloating rather a lot over stuff until she actually tipped over the edge into subspace...which took forever.

But I loved the "headfuck" aspects of her relationship with Melisande and the scene with Barquiel D'Anvers. I also just like the idea of doing that to pay off a marque -- that was enough to keep me happy for the first book.

After the first book, it was the very different sub dynamic of her sidekick knight that kept me reading.

Date: 2004-09-17 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com
Despite her saying she was "struck by kushiel's dart" and therefore a masochist, she struck me as a very toppy sub.

Perhaps because she was a masochist and not a submissive? Something that I can sympathize with, at least.

I thought all the pervy bits were too mushy. It was too easy for her, because after all she's chosen by Kushiel and it's her destiny to love pain and she's so unique and blah blah blah...

Date: 2004-09-17 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-ate-my-crusts.livejournal.com
I'm not so good at wrapping my head around masochist, but you could well be right. I was trying to picture her as masochist, but she just didn't come off that way to me.

Mushy and too easy? Yeah. Absolutely. But I could blank that out. :)

Date: 2004-09-17 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dhydra.livejournal.com
I liked the first book. If not for a long car ride to FL, I wouldn't have finished the second. Third? Still got a book mark in it. I can't do epic length stuff like I use to.

Thhe second book had a lot less perv stuff in it than the second and I couldn't tolerate her whiny Cassiline consort. The pirate wasn't much better.

The books just got more and more tedious as time went on. Too bad, especially since I carry a variation on a theme -- an anniversary tattoo on my back that gets updated every so many years to mark the passage of time.

Debra

funny you should mention it...

Date: 2004-09-18 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n-elisbeth.livejournal.com
I am in the process of reading Kushiel's Dart. It's ok. I can get into it but I find that much of what is going on is written in much to subtle a way. There are hints at way to many things and very little outright explination of the action. Perhaps I just haven't been reading enough fiction.
Anyhow, I'm only about half way through but it's not a book that I feel like I need to pick up and read straight through. I also haven't been able to jill off to it which, for me, is the mark of a good peice of erotic fiction. If it makes me hot, I want to keep reading.
Just my two cents. I'll let you know what I think once I finish the book.

Hey!!!

Date: 2004-09-18 10:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] black-pearl-10.livejournal.com
Speaking of which, give me back my Jackie Collins novel, you know the one with Fabio on the cover...

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