Political Venting, The Ongoing Soap Opera
Jun. 17th, 2003 02:04 pm"Such weapons [of mass destruction] require substantial industrial plants and a large work force," [Robin Cook, former British foreign secretary] said. "It is inconceivable that both could have been kept concealed for the two months we have been in occupation of Iraq."
Mr. Cook said that his experience convinced him that "instead of using intelligence as evidence on which to base a decision about policy, we used intelligence as the basis on which to justify a policy on which we had already settled."
Quoted, a little out of order, from The New York Times, which also goes on to say:
"Mr. Blair has been undermined by controversies from two intelligence reports, put forth at the time with great fanfare, that sought to swing public opinion behind his conviction that Mr. Hussein and his unconventional arms were an immediate threat. At the time, Britain took on the assignment of disclosing intelligence findings because, the thinking then went, the information would be more credible to critics of the military preparations and in the Muslim world if the source were London rather than Washington." (emphasis mine.)
The full article is here.
I note in passing also that "the intelligence community" seems to have sprung a lot of leaks lately. Probably because they know that they're going to be blamed, again -- "oh, it wasn't a lie, it was an intelligence failure" -- and they've got nothing to lose if they leak the truth.
And while I'm here, the UK Guardian may have taken back deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz's "swimming in oil" comment, but he did still say that weapons of mass destruction were essentially a bureaucratic rationalization for a war they'd already decided to pursue. Vanity Fair quotes him as saying "For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on;" the Weekly Standard contends he was misquoted, and instead gives us "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction." I don't see it as a misquote, but I've left the link in so you can make up your own mind.
And finally, I'm just going to say it: incidental good is not sufficient reason to wage war.
Charlie Stross on rec.arts.sf.composition today says, "Some of the rhetoric coming out of the US government today -- combined with the thousands of civilians being killed in other countries, the total disdain for international law and war crimes conventions, and so on -- is pretty chilling. You *are* the bad guys in someone else's novel."
Mr. Cook said that his experience convinced him that "instead of using intelligence as evidence on which to base a decision about policy, we used intelligence as the basis on which to justify a policy on which we had already settled."
Quoted, a little out of order, from The New York Times, which also goes on to say:
"Mr. Blair has been undermined by controversies from two intelligence reports, put forth at the time with great fanfare, that sought to swing public opinion behind his conviction that Mr. Hussein and his unconventional arms were an immediate threat. At the time, Britain took on the assignment of disclosing intelligence findings because, the thinking then went, the information would be more credible to critics of the military preparations and in the Muslim world if the source were London rather than Washington." (emphasis mine.)
The full article is here.
I note in passing also that "the intelligence community" seems to have sprung a lot of leaks lately. Probably because they know that they're going to be blamed, again -- "oh, it wasn't a lie, it was an intelligence failure" -- and they've got nothing to lose if they leak the truth.
And while I'm here, the UK Guardian may have taken back deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz's "swimming in oil" comment, but he did still say that weapons of mass destruction were essentially a bureaucratic rationalization for a war they'd already decided to pursue. Vanity Fair quotes him as saying "For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on;" the Weekly Standard contends he was misquoted, and instead gives us "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction." I don't see it as a misquote, but I've left the link in so you can make up your own mind.
And finally, I'm just going to say it: incidental good is not sufficient reason to wage war.
Charlie Stross on rec.arts.sf.composition today says, "Some of the rhetoric coming out of the US government today -- combined with the thousands of civilians being killed in other countries, the total disdain for international law and war crimes conventions, and so on -- is pretty chilling. You *are* the bad guys in someone else's novel."
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Date: 2003-06-17 11:55 pm (UTC)Yesterday, Robin Cook talked about Blair's 'burning conviction' that prosecuting the Iraq war was absolutely the right thing to do. 'Burning' and 'conviction' are not two words I like to see in close proximity to one another in a political context.
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Date: 2003-06-18 01:35 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-06-22 11:42 pm (UTC)