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Today I want to become a famous BDSM educator just so I can go on a major public crusade against checklists.

Date: 2007-05-09 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakysparks.livejournal.com
Interesting... what's the issue with checklists?

Date: 2007-05-09 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com
I think they're a lazy way to negotiate.

What prompted this: I just read a post by some dude who declared that checklists are "a must", and I am feeling mighty contrary. He was so proud of himself for giving his slaves checklists even in the middle of the relationship! Wow! "The checklist of the submissive is her consent."

Date: 2007-05-09 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] postmaudlin.livejournal.com


I just sent a customized checklist last week; in part it was helpful, mostly, i sent it for frustrating busywork and psychout -- options like : i like feeling useless/ helpless/ embarrassed/humiliated.

admittedly, there's nuance there...

Date: 2007-05-09 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com
Yeah. Obviously I am not against checklists per se. I am against One True Ways and Please Fit Your Kink To My Preformatted Piece Of Papers.

Trust issues there.

Date: 2007-05-09 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] billbrent.livejournal.com
[registers dismay, moves on]

Date: 2007-05-09 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakysparks.livejournal.com
Oooo! I want to see.

Date: 2007-05-09 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imnotandrei.livejournal.com
So turning the checklist into paper-mache and making the letters "F" and "U" out of it counts as withdrawal of consent, I would presume?

Date: 2007-05-09 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com
Yes.

("Of course that consent changes over time and has to be constantly renegotiated.")

Date: 2007-05-10 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] genderfur.livejournal.com
I like checklists for reminders, because I have a shitty memory. It's like my grocery list: I almost always get *more* stuff than is on my list, but there's specific things that I want to be sure to remember.

Date: 2007-05-09 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whipartist.livejournal.com
I find checklists to be about as unromantic and unsexy as one can possibly get.

However, they do have a very powerful use for me: they serve as a filter. If someone wants me to fill out a checklist before we play, I know that we don't belong with each other.

Date: 2007-05-10 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmjwell.livejournal.com
A woman after my own heart.

Well, a pair of them (women, not hearts).

Date: 2007-05-10 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zevinboots.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2007-05-10 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slamonella.livejournal.com
Please do!

Then tell us how you feel about safewords.

Date: 2007-05-10 02:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-05-10 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nadyalec.livejournal.com
i hate checklists.

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